Vamp mode, were it go?

Who decided to remove vamp mode? It was great fun especially for pub games
Bring it back!!!

For those that don't know its a mode where the dieing sheep becomes a wolf not a wisp. The game goes on until all players are wolf. Pretty fun mode.

This post has been edited by Mr.Legs on Nov 2 2009, 11:07 PM

rofl, what did it do? i have never even played this... but i assume the dead sheep turns into a wolf or some shits.

Exactly Amir. I remember we used to play it with -view and gold so it wasn't "pro." There was a map that 307 used to host all the time where it was actually good.

Just because it's fun doesn't mean we should add it lol... I think there should be a mode where shepherds mass golems and sheep have to bite through them to get to wolfies. T

unless -vamp mode makes the game any slower, i dont see a problem with having it as a fun mode, if it makes people stick with the community longer than they would otherwise.

whats the negative sides of this cele?

I agree. Add it for pubs mostly. Besides that, bring back a bit of fun to sheeptag.

OOookay time to post negatives, but first lets try to find some positives!

-"It's fun"

okay done posting positives!

Firstly, by vamp-mode I assume that when a shepherd kills the sheep it turns into a wolf.

To start the game, you require 1 shepherd (vamp) to go around and try to kill sheep. If this is a pubby they will most likely give up or leave "sigh this is too hard this isn't very fun".

Now imagine that you have a pub with some experience "Claws won't work considering how outnumbered I am, so I'll try a different approach".

Can you see the problem? It encourages the techniques that we strive NOT to teach pubs. It teachs them image jumps, sniping, and golems. While that may be good for certain situations, in vamp-mode it's forced meaning they have no other choice. You cannot isolate a sheep w/ claws when you're outnumbered something crazy like 7-1.

Not only this, but if there is an experienced sheep on the team all he has to do is cornermass and build cash farms. By building in another person's mass you increase your chances of turning into a vamp (especially if it's a pub's mass). Can you see the problem with this? By not harassing or helping allies he is hurting "Sheep tag theory".

So negatives:

Wolfing:
-Promote golems, invis, and image jumps early game

Sheeping:
-It discourages team-play
-Discourages massing mid, because there are no wisps.
-Encourages cornermassing

celes, you might be viewing this wrongly


compare it to switch, not normal mode

I'm confused ele. Amir asked me for negatives and I posted them. How is I viewing this wrongly?

edit:

Why are we debating this anyways? Can't beer just go and make a vamp map regardless of what is said? Just ask doh-san for his version it has the same everything basically.

This post has been edited by Celestial_One on Nov 3 2009, 06:27 PM

edit: i responded to your non-edited post -.-

this = not a way to recruit pubs
this = fun.. fun like switch can be

when you give negatives to a mod, you're comparing it to normal
i.e.Wolfing:
-Promote golems, invis, and image jumps early game
Sheeping:
-It discourages team-play
-Discourages massing mid, because there are no wisps.
-Encourages cornermassing

etc etc. the same arguments could be made for removing switch

This post has been edited by Elencia on Nov 3 2009, 06:31 PM

Switch is so rarely played anyways.. what makes you think vamp will be more popular?

it might very well not be more popular

but, just like how switch is fun, vamp mode could provide an excellent alternative for those who prefer massing.
/gives the 1 or 2 shepherds 1hit and golem, with xxx gold to start with.
it could certainly be made to allow massing to work.

if you're asking for justification for adding it.. then i have none. it would be fun and original, but it isnt as simple as "1+1=2 so add it". i mean, how could it be justified?

why was vamp removed in the first place?

anyways vamp mode WAS FUCKING WAY FUN i played it on roc about 3 years ago a ton! it was hosted all the time. it would really attract some pubs considering how fun it is

that's fucking ecid tard.

dice you're an idiot.. should have been banned long time ago you do nothing for these forums >>

We can say the exact same thing about you.
The largest difference is that I actually have constructive posts in my post history.
You don't.

ANYWAYS. This topic is about Vamp Mode.
Why aren't we talking about that?
Vamp Mode would be fun. Practice wolfing.

cele made good post, dont bash him lol... he pointed out negatives.


but cele, why dont you want to remove switch as well? promotes runtag and rightclick+finger asshole when u chase sheeps?

any mode BUT the normal mode where u mass = promotes things we dont want to promote when we teach someone how to play ST.


besides, vamp/switch/normal are 3 different versions of the same game; ofc they promote different playing styles. one style works better for runtag games, other works better for normal games. people will realize this.



point? remove every ''fun mode'' if you argument is that it promotes wrong things. but its clear that switch doesn't *promote* wrong things, it promotes different playing style WHEN playing switch. or?

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